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October 11, 2009

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Alex

Eugene, thanks - good as always. I am still thinking - was the last comparison a compliment to WaPo or an offense to Lenin? (but it reminded me another particularly useful in professional journalism anecdote about K. Marx - in Kennedy's "The President and The Press" speech).

Cheers

Eugene Ivanov

Alex,

Thanks for your comment. I don't know the Kennedy/Marx story. Can you tell?

As for Lenin/WP. Well, I was just stating the obvious: both think similarly -- ideology trumps facts and common sense. That said, intellectually of course the WP doesn't come even close to Iliych.

Cheers,
Eugene

Alex

So, it means that WaPo has a future - a room for development :))

I lost the original link (to,I think, Miller Center), but here is an extract from the pdf (with all spelling/OCR mistakes intact):

JFK, The President and The Press,1961

"..You may remember that in 1851 t. he New York Herald Tribune, under the sponsorship and publishing of Horace Greeley, employed as its London correspondent an obscure journalist by the name of Karl
Marx.

We are told that foreign correspondent Marx, stone broke, and with a family ill and undernourished, constantly appealed to Greeley and Managing Editor Charles Dana for an increase in his munificent
salary of $5 per installment, a salary which he and Engels ungratefully labeled as the "lousiest petty bourgeois cheating."

But when all his financial appeals were refused, Marx looked around for other means of livelihood and
fame, eventually terminating his relationship with the Tribune and devoting his talents full time to the cause that would bequeath to the world the seeds of Leninism, Stalinism, revolution and the cold war.

If only this capitalistic New York newspaper had treated him more kindly; if only Marx had remained a
foreign correspondent, history might have been different. And I hope all publishers will bear this lesson in mind the next time they receive a poverty-stricken appeal for a small increase in the expense account from an obscure newspaper .."

Cheers

Eugene Ivanov

Nah! Engels would have found another Marx to sponsor...

Thanks Alex, that was fun.

Cheers,
Eugene

Leo

Eugene,
You are too hard on WaPo, way too hard. Most of them are just journalists doing their job, reporting the most obtainable version of truth. Let's take Philip Pan's article that you so critisize. Whatever was written was solidly based on the information provided to him. I even believe for an article derived from the input of various Kiev-based think tanks Pan's piece is quite benign. Because this is what think tanks do, they "sell" issues, real or imaginary. And at this point the sellable issues are related to Russia stirring s**t in Ukraine before the elections, come and save us from the Russian bear. Granted, Russia roots for a friendly government in Ukraine (as any resonable neighbor would) and the degree of involvement is much less than it was in 2004. But in terms of finesse this involvement is still not on a par with western-style meddling. Hence the accusations like those voiced in Pan's article. Anyhow, we can't expect Pan to deconvolute Russo-Ukrainian relations in just one article, can we? This would take several selfless PhD students. I suspect if Russia and Ukraine were spouses, even Sigmund Freud would give up counseling them because things are so complex.
I do agree that Mrs. Sikorski took the issue of the unpublished GQ article too far. But the very fact that such articles surface every now and then has more to do with the lack of transparency of the official investigation into the explosions in Moscow. And piecemeal results that the public received. This is not a unique case, by the way, most of the official investigations of Putin's era were shrouded in secrecy and posed more questions than provided answers. For example, the gas used at Dubrovka still has not been disclosed. Issues like these lend credibility to alternative theories and also opportunities for Appelbaums of the world to exploit those theories. Yes, FSB blowing up buildings in Moscow is BS. But did FSB and other government agencies provide enough information to convince everybody that it is indeed BS?
Then again, Donald Asmus held a post in Clinton's administration. So, what he wrote is entirely logical, based on his vested interest in NATO and Eastern Europe. Is he really wrong about the sentiment of Eastern European elites regarding the abandonment of the missile defence program? One could read some Ea-Eu press and see that he is not. Whether this sentiment defies logic is a different story, but it is what it is. In a related development the titan of titans Joe Biden will travel to Ea-Eu soon to placate their feeling of abandonment. I am anxious to see if everything again reduces to verbal attacks on Russia or there will be substance to this visit.
Going back to WaPo, it seems like Russia is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. And given the dismal level of trade between the two countries that line is quite safe to follow. Does not hurt anybody's business on either side.
Best regards,
Leo
P.S. Looks like there will be a movie about the Russo-Georgian war of 2008. Makes me wonder if the fictional Saaka (no other than Andy Garcia) will also eat his tie.

Michael Averko

Leo, Eugene & Co:

Eugene made reference to one of Pan's articles appearing as if someone else had input to it. Off the record, I've heard several well placed claims that at some leading American media venues (two in particular), the given author's submission on a subject like the former Communist bloc can be noticeably edited in the form of additional and/or changed substance.

Regarding one of Leo's points, truly free and quality journalism involves independent follow-up that cuts thru any PR/think tank spin. In this sense, it's not wrong to provide a well founded constructive criticism of high profile journalists like Philip Pan.

Some of the reporting seems to be based on relying on previous slants. This can be reasonably seen as either following a certain party line and/or a flat out lazy approach.

Take this article on Ukraine by Pan:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/05/AR2009100501755_2.html

The plusses -

- Notes that Yushchenko's polices have alienated many in Crimea.

- Acknowledges how Crimea's Russians and Ukrainians generally get along, while sharing similar views on a number of matters (like NATO expansion and Russia's Black Sea fleet).

The minuses that conform with the standard slant:

- Its accounting of Crimea's past omits that parts of Crimean territory were affiliated with the Rus state before the Tatars established any control over it. The article also omits the slave trade aspect of that Tatar rule against others in the region (particularly Slavs). Stalin's mass deportation of the Crimean Tatars is mentioned. This kind of historical overview has been evident in English language mass media. Its omissions nurture the caricature of evil Russians against others seen as more virtuous.

****

I appreciate Eugene's point about how Jim Hoagland suggestively pats himself on the back as a kind of hero journalist left uncorrupted to the Russian government involved Valdai Discussion Club. I especially appreciate Eugene's suggestive follow-up that others should get such invites over Hoagland.

I'm glad to see Eugene at the SCF. The next step is for Russian government involved venues like RT and the Valdai Discussion Club to do a better job at propping Western based analytical talents that have shown an ability to shine in a high profile situation, if given the opportunity. Of course, The Washington Posts and New York Times out there can do their share in providing a more substantive and even-handed coverage. Meantime, it seems that the Western mass media preferred Russian journalists are given better opportunities at the more influential of English language outlets.


Michael Averko

Hi Alex!

Pardon my oversight of you.

Eugene Ivanov

Hi Leo, and thanks for your as always great feedback.

With all due respect, I disagree on Pan. I happen to like him and consider him a very fine reporter, the key word here being reporter, not agitaror. Unfortunately, his piece on Ukraine (and the next I'll cover for October) is a classic example of reporting turning outright propaganda.

I agree with you that Pan can't "deconvolute Russo-Ukrainian relations in just one article." Did he try? Sure, he just repeated something that some folks from some think tank told him. But the choice of these folks was his, and tellingly enough, every single person had nothing but negative to say about Russia. And this is in the country with high level of positive public sentiments toward Russia (and the country where Putin is actually more popular than any Ukrainian politician).

As for Mrs. Sikorski's (I love that!) article, I'm not saying that we know everything about the cases you mentioned. My problem is that every single case of apparent meddling with the media freedom is immediately elevated into personal Putin's operation. I wonder how he finds time to be so prolific :)

Lack of transparency it is, I agree. Do you expect a lot of transparency in cases where secret services are involved -- in any country, for that matter?

No question, Asmus has his point of view. But then, I'd ask the most central question of our foreign policy in Europe: why in the hell should we defend Eastern Europe? Why can they not defend themselves now that Russia doesn't represent so formidable military threat as it used to be? Why should we always treat them as crying babies to be consoled? Don't we have our own, more pressing, security problems?

Totally, absolutely, 100% agreed on trade. Should the trade volume between RF and the US double or triple, the amount of (at least stupid) criticism will go down, starting with WSJ and followed by WP. NYT will drag their feet for a while, IMHO :)

Cheers,
Eugene

Eugene Ivanov

Hi Mike and welcome back! Always read your comments as a treat.

Yes, this is the article I mentioned in my response to Leo. Doesn't look to me as a piece of quality reporting.

I suspect that quite naturally, Pan is being prepared to cover the upcoming presidential election in Ukraine, and his articles are sort of "warming up." And if this is a beginning...

As a matter of fact, I wasn't serious when suggesting to expel Hoagland from Valdai Club. The fact that Russian leaders meet with Western journalists expressing unfriendly views is a good sign. What upsets me in this particular Hoagland's article is that you really don't need to go to Russia and meet with Putin/Medvedev to write such an "analytical piece." Kim Ziegfeld does a better job without leaving NYC :)

Best Regards,
Eugene

Michael Averko

Hi Eugene

I don't mind leaving some of the existing status quo in for the purpose of seeing them successfully refuted by newcomers like... In point of fact, some of these newcomers aren't really so new. Rather, they're kept out of an upity clique, while doing their thing elsewhere.

Putting aside that last person you mention, one can have a greater intuitive insight from a distance, when compared to some folks who're right on the scene.

Some of the most knowledgeable sports fans are the ones not blessed with having season tickets and/or going to a good number of games.

Political "science" is a soft science. All the formal schooling on that subject in the world isn't always enough to offset someone having a greater intuitive insight on that topic.

There're some elitny who carry on like travelling, formally educated propagandists. These individuals seem to be regularly shielded from a more challenged criticism.

The very last point shouldn't be confused with the character assassination trolling that's out there.

Best,

Mike

Eugene Ivanov

Hi Mike,

As an old friend of mine used to say: one doesn't have to be a fish to study marine biology...

I completely agree with you on the value of an outsider's point of view (and I easily admit that I myself never took part in meetings between Obama and Kissinger :). But there must be an honest attempt at understanding the issue.

For this reason alone, I insist that Hoagland wasted his seat at the meeting with Putin. What did we learn from Hoagland? That Putin was a KGB man and Medvedev was not? How perceptive!

Hoagland then goes to the meeting with Medvedev and of all imaginable questions, he asked what Medvedev thought about having "the same blood" with Putin.

Was it worth of all the money someone had to pay for shipping Hoagland to Russia? He could write the same piece without leaving his office.

This isn't an issue of outsiders vs insiders. This is an issue of having an agenda.

Best Regards,
Eugene

Michael Averko

Hi back Eugene:

In some circles, I know someone who gets belittled for being truly independent in terms of making earnest criticisms at different sides of the geopolitical spectrum.

;)

It's almost as if some prefer an overly partisan advocacy that overlooks the otherwise obvious fault-lines.

By no means are these observations unique to yours truly.

;)

The greater censorship is the one not getting discussed.

Best,

Mike

Eugene Ivanov

"The greater censorship is the one not getting discussed."

Amen,

Yours,
Eugene

Michael Averko

This frank discussion has further gotten me in the mood for developing some analysis in the same spirit, to serve as a counterweight to what has been evident at a number of leading venues.

Salut!

Mike

Leo

Mike,

Yes, truly free and quality journalism should be expected to cut through spin, but that is in the ideal world. In the real world (based on the observations of my uninformed self) certain things can motivate reporters to do it, such as:
- when the alternative viewpoint is well represented by journalists, scholars, talking heads (pundits?) in the particular region or country of interest (if it is some terra incognita, then the facts on the ground don't suffice) and also in the newspaper's homecountry;
- these pundits can be considered sufficiently independent and representative;
- that whatever the journalist is writing can be challenged by a comparable outlet (not cheating unless get caught) and readers can be lost (newspaper is a business enterprise, after all).
Does this apply to the Ukrainian situation? Not so sure. So, I would not go as far as claim that WaPo practices sensorship or self-sensorship. Using your terminology it is more of "laziness", I believe, when a particular piece is considered "good enough". Anyhow, I am not as acquainted with the inner workings of the American media as perhaps you are, but the above is my outsider's view.
I was being sarcastic regarding Eugene's critique of Pan's piece, there is absolutely nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Regarding Pan's recent article, let's hear what the Man of the blog has to say first.


Eugene,

While I agree that the choice of Pan's sources in Kiev is one-sided, it would be hard for me (if I were Philip Pan) to present a balanced view. Because I am not sure that indigenous Russia-friendly views are well-heard in Ukraine. The positive view of Russia that the majority of Ukrainians hold does not seem to be well represented in the think tanks, NGOs and political parties. Again, I am not as informed as you may be and I don't want to speculate.

Yes, if James Bonds of the world had their way, common folk would be kept in the dark in any country. But luckily they are supposed to follow executive orders. So, their transparency depends on their accountability before the legislative branch. And in turn the accountability of legislatures to respective constituencies. Can we really say that these accountabilities are similar in, for example, Russia and the United States? No, the degrees of accountability are very different. And for this reason we (and more importantly victims' families) know orders of magniture more about 9/11 than we do about acts of terror in Russia.

Regarding the security of Ea-Eu, being crybabies brings these countries tangible benefits, even 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Investment, military infrastructure, hardware, training are among the freebies or cheapos. From this point of view, worse is better for some of them as far as relations with Russia go, never mind Russia's enfeebled economic state and limited capabilities. But in the end they will have to fend for themselves considering the strained American economy and less ideology-driven administration in the White House. There was a detailed article on this in The National Interest:

http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=22244

So, the short answer is no, there is no rationale to spend US taxpayers' money in far-flung places capable of taking care of themselves. Hopefully, it will sink in with the new generation of the American ruling class.

Best regards,

Leo

Eugene Ivanov

Leo,

I agree with you on all three points.

Ukrainian think thanks, NGOs etc. -- like everywhere else -- are populated by the most educated, who tend being more nationalistic. In Kiev, that almost automatically means anti-Moscow (but perhaps not necessarily anti-Russian). True, Pan's "sin" is that he simply didn't dig deep enough. But who in the mass media does?

There is no point in arguing that the level of transparency and accountability in general -- and as far as secret services are concerned in particular -- is higher in the US than in Russia. Period.

I too enjoyed Bandow's paper and obviously borrowed from it. That said, defending Europe militarily has beed the cornestone of the US foreigh policy since the WWII. So much of everything (and not only money) was invested in this project. It's not easy for folks here to say: it's time to stop it. Obama may well have different ideas, but there is no way he'd say this openly.

Thanks much for the great discussion.

Best Regards,
Eugene

Michael Averko

Gentlemen

What Eugene says in paragraph two in his last set of comments relates in part to the value/effectiveness of foreign NGOs.

In reply to Leo's last set of comments, in the US, there's this long running show 60 Minutes, which is known for investigating coverups.

True investigative journalism will not have a difficult time in highlighting what's inaccurate with much of the mass media coverage on the former Communist bloc.

Michael Averko

Needless to be said but said anyway: the last point is why I regularly check venues like Eugene's blog.

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