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April 05, 2009

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Alex

Hi, Eugene. As usually - a well-written and precisely balanced piece of writing.
What would you say if "translate" your message as "..Considering the vast US superiority in congenital warfare & alleged (or advertised) Pentagon's capability to destroy all Russian SNM if not in silos then before they can reach the US, it is amazing that anyone in Washington can think of START, which reduces the number of potential Russian targets, as something which Russia really needs & wants to pay for - but not as something **the US must** buy" ? Cheers

Alex

Sorry for typos in the previous. Cheers, me

Eugene Ivanov

Igor privet and thanks for good words!

No personal offense :) but your "translation" reads exactly like op-eds by my favorite Anne Applebaum and my favorite (now, I mean it) Bill Kristol in today's WP. They, too, argue that there is no compelling reason to negotiate cutting "deteriorating" Russian nukes.

I do believe that by and large, Russia will benefit more from Start -- at least, economically speaking. Having said that, isn't it remarkable that the most driven proponents of arms control talks with Russia have always been -- even under Bush -- Gates and Mullen? Is it conceivable that those folks know something we all, including Applebaum & Kristol, don't?

I'm admittedly not good at nukes, but I'm fine with simple math. Don't you think there could be potentially a problem with "silencing" 5,200 Russian SNM with 4,700 American? Unless, of course, they're "deteriorating" with the speed pleasing AA and BK.

Best,
Eugene

ALex

Hi, Eugene. As nowadays I read WP only through your blog :))(copyright?), I don't know what AA or Kristol have to say(I remember the latter saying some sensible things in the past together with Kissinger et al, though). But your description sounds somewhat opposite to what I have said in the previous and which is, in fact, about the same as in *your* last paragraph above. I know of other estimates, which place Russia at even higher levels (not including NonStrategicNW or a ways of counting MRV). The delivery was a bit of a problem up until recently. During economic crisis it is a sensible thing for Russia to increase gov. sponsored high tech manufacturing - eg. military and as a bonus, restore at least part of the past bargaining power . In short, the US benefits, Russia exposes itself to the risk of being screwed up (again) by the other side (the US). Cheers

ALex

..Just in case - it is necessary to clearly separate conventional army forces and strategic nuclear weapons. The first are for controlling oil & mineral resources, the second primarily for deterring those who want to control the resources (who would it be?:)) Russia does need a modern "normal" army, but only to prevent Georgia-like proxy wars. Otherwise Russia owns the resources (still)and only needs to protect them. So in my first message "considering..the US ..superiority.." means exactly that - the US has much bigger "aggressive" military, Russia needs to make sure it is not used. Cheers

Eugene Ivanov

Igor,

Sorry if I've misinterpreted your position.

I have to admit not being an expert in military issues. So let me try it again.

In a sense, the old-time concept of MAD is still in operation, and ~5,000 nukes on each side is apparently quite enough for one country not to want messing with the other. Apparently, 1,700-2,200 (as stipulated by the Moscow Treaty) is still enough, and, perhaps, 1,000 -- what Obama reportedly wants -- will still be enough, however, here it seems that some military folks in Russia begin having their concernes -- given the U.S. obvious superiority in conventional forces.

The point here is that cutting nukes makes sense to both sides, but, the argument goes, "economically" speaking, more to Russia than to the U.S.

That's exactly the point folks around the WP are making. They believe that any talks toward missile cuts are "gift" to Russia (why to cut if Russian nukes will soon "deteriorate" by themselves?). They want something else -- like Iran -- "in return."

This is an emerging pattern that I see and am going to write about: not to attack START talks head-on, but to torpedo the deal by attaching some other stuff to it. Essentially, this is what Lugar said.

Best,
Eugene

Alex

Hi, Eugene
I think now we understand each other :))(and btw - I don't know what an "expert" in this area means - reading some analyses one may start to wonder ..). I am puzzled why in negotiations one side should attempt to weight in the *relative* merits of the outcome for *another side*... How can they possibly know & how to measure it - in GDP savings per capita per missile taken with country-specific missile-ammortization and measured in unskilled labor wage index? (I understand that it is not your approach, but of some brilliant think tanks in Wash.). From my also non-expert pw, what Russians are (rightfully)concerned about is that it is one thing to belive that one can kill 100% of ~7,000 missiles, and another 100% of - 1,000. What matters is that some military heads in Wash. may decide that it is possible to do so...

Anyway, moving ahead - there was an interview with your favourite :)) Russian FA http://www.isria.info/en/7_April_2009_89.html - not the best translation (eg. "treaty incompentence" does not compute) but interesting content..Maybe better in the original. Cheers

Alex

A correction - the link with Lavrov's interview finishes with "htm" , not "html".

me

Eugene Ivanov

Thanks for the link. I agree: a clear case of "translation incompetence."

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